143: Work – Life Balance with Kim Romain

On today’s episode of the Career Clarity Show, our guest host and Career Clarity coach Kelley Shields is here to dig deep into an idea that has become so commonplace that you probably haven’t stopped to think about what it really means for a while – work life balance. More specifically, we’re gonna be exploring why that idea is actually a myth. 

Now, just to be clear, no one here is saying that you shouldn’t care about having time for your life outside of your work. Here at Career Clarity, we know that balance is so important. So much so that Lifestyle is one of our four pillars of Career Clarity that you can use to help you navigate your career decisions. 

But is there actually such a thing as work life balance? What are the false assumptions underneath that idea? And how can you think about it in a more helpful way? Guest expert Kim Romain, a holistic business and life strategist, is here to share how to write your own story and step out of outdated norms that no longer fit.

Show Notes:

• Kim Romain
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Transcript

Lisa Lewis Miller  0:04   

Welcome to the Career Clarity Show. If you want to create a career path you’ll love you’re in the right place. I’m Lisa Lewis Miller, career change coach, published author and your host, and each week, we’ll bring you personal transformation stories, advice and insights from experts about how you can find a more fulfilling, soulful and joyful career.

Kelley Shields  0:31  

Hello, and welcome to the Career Clarity Show. I’m Career Clarity Show coach Kelly shields, and I’m delighted to be your host today. On today’s show, we are going to be digging deeply into an idea that has become so commonplace that you probably haven’t stopped to think about what it really means for a while. That’s the idea of work life balance. And more specifically, we’re gonna be exploring why that idea is actually a myth. Now, just to be clear, no one here is saying that you shouldn’t care about having time for your life outside of your work. We here at Career Clarity Show know that that is so important that lifestyle is one of our four pillars of Career Clarity Show that you can use to help you navigate your career decisions. But is there actually such a thing as work life balance? What are the false assumptions underneath that idea? And how can you think about it in a more helpful way? I’m really excited to be discussing this with today’s guest. Kim Romain is a holistic business and life strategist, who partners with purpose driven individuals who are ready to write their own stories and step out of outdated norms that no longer fit. As a former attorney and executive with over 20 years of leadership experience in the legal, corporate and nonprofit sectors. She knows what it’s like to be constantly striving for more, and working towards some semblance of work life balance. It’s Kim’s mission to advocate for humanity through creating human centric workplaces, and helping individuals develop the skills of empathy, kindness, and gratitude across all levels. Kim, welcome to the show. Thank you, Kelly, I’m so glad to be here. I’m so glad to have you here. And I am so excited to be talking with you today about this idea that work life balance is a myth. And it’s such an intriguing idea, because I think so many people would say that, wait, that’s exactly what I’m looking for. What would you say, doesn’t work about that idea?

Kim Romain  2:35  

Well, I kind of think of work life balance is trying to get into tree pose for the first time. Right? It’s it just, it’s, it’s, it’s awkward, it’s not probably pretty, and you end up on your touch. So it is one of those things where when we strive for this perfect semblance of what balance is, we’re actually putting our bodies or our lives in this case into a constant state of tension. Right. So again, if we go back to the idea of a tree pose, all of our little muscles are constantly firing to try and get ourselves realigned. And so in our life, when we have work and life balance, and we’re trying to come up with the what that means for ourselves, we think that we have to pull from work or pull from our family life or pull from our creative endeavors to create this alignment, when in reality, it’s really life. There is no work and life, there’s life and work as a component of life.

Kelley Shields  3:41  

Hmm. So looking at, hey, this is just one part of your life and you and this idea of constantly trying to borrow time and space and energy from one part and another. It’s just not working.

Kim Romain  3:55  

Yeah, not working at all. And it creates more stress, it creates overwhelm and creates that feeling of being a failure. Right. And we often end up blaming ourselves, why can I do this?

Kelley Shields  4:09  

No, please go ahead. That’s that’s such a great question. I mean, can anyone do this? Can it be done? Work life balance? I

Kim Romain  4:17  

don’t think so. I think honestly, it’s that unicorn that we’re looking for, right? It’s we really want to believe it exists because we have this idea of what work life balance is. If I think for real about what we’re looking for, we’re looking for something that feels more peaceful, more integrated, more aligned, it feels more, more purposeful, right? We feel like we have some control in our lives. We’re not constantly reacting or responding to other the needs of others. We’re actually able to do that for ourselves, and then incorporate others So I think this idea of this this tension that we put on work life balance, do we have a better term for it? Maybe not right now. But it’s an outdated concept that that came from the 1970s in England, when they were trying to figure out a health reform. So we’ve moved so far away from that in the vernacular that we use it in. And it’s now caused, what I see with my clients, a tremendous amount of stress and pressure that we wouldn’t have if we’re not trying to strive for this thing.

Kelley Shields  5:38  

Wow. And do you have any more context you can give us about what this originally was the posts, I assumed this idea was initially supposed to be something that was helpful. Back when they were looking at this in terms of, you know, health in Britain, do you have any more information about what this was intended to do? And how it’s been? And how what it’s turned into and morphed into today? That’s creating all this pressure?

Kim Romain  6:02  

Yeah. So I have just a little context, I haven’t done the deep dive as as I probably should. However, in my own work life balance, I understand I got enough, I gleaned enough from what what I was reading where it has this. It’s the notion that it was put out there as a, as I said, a health care reform in a way to help workers create some balance in their lives. Right. So it’s the same idea of when we created the 40 Hour Workweek, which also is an outdated norm.

Kelley Shields  6:35  

Yes. Right. That’s actually one of my like, biggest pet peeves. This idea of the 40 hour week that goes back to manufacturing days, and Henry Ford, and now we live in this technology, knowledge economy, and how does this make sense?

Kim Romain  6:48  

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it’s, we do have all these outdated norms. Right. And that is, and work life balance, has become a catchphrase that was based on an outdated norm when it became a catchphrase. So it really started to take on some measure here in the United States, I want to say, in the late 90s, is when it started to really start to pick up steam in North America. And at this point, it’s everywhere. Everyone’s talking about work life balance, everyone’s talking about like, this is what you need. Just give yourself and and it’s it’s linked to this idea of self care, which is actually a demeaning thought, when we think about particularly what people have been dealing with during the pandemic. You know, we talked about the teachers and the health care workers just needing a little bit more self care, they just need to focus on their work life balance, and they’ll be okay.

Kelley Shields  7:49  

Ooh, so I’m almost hearing that, oh, we’re gonna put this problem on you. We’re gonna ignore any any institutional problems or any unrealistic expectations, we’re just gonna keep pushing expectations on you. And it’s your responsibility to take care of this and to create better balance

Kim Romain  8:04  

for yourself. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Is that what you’re the clients that you’re talking about? Is that what you see them coming in with this idea of, oh, I bear all this responsibility to figure out how to fit an impossible amount into a 24 hour day, which includes, you know, a reasonable amount of sleep? Absolutely. Yeah. And they feel like a huge failure, because they’re not able to do I mean, the amount of things that we have put that go onto our to do list, right? The number one concern that my clients have is how do I take my to do list just just teach me how to tame my to do list and like the to do list is not the problem. Right, you’re always gonna, we are human beings who are stuck in the action of doing right. That’s we, we change the way that we are, so that we don’t focus on who we who we are, we focus on what we’re doing. And so when we’re focused on our to do list when we’re focused on reaching that next rung on the ladder, when we’re focused on making sure that a presentation is done, better than could ever be imagined with, you know, animated PowerPoints and, and 47 slides and all of that we’re putting this extra pressure on ourselves. Because we think we’re not doing something, right. We’re just trying to prove ourselves, or we’re trying to prove ourselves outside of what we actually want. Right? So they show up. What do I do about my to do list? What do I do? How do I how do I team this thing? And the reality is, it’s not about the to do list. It’s about the the WHO YOU ARE list, right?

Kelley Shields  9:52  

And that idea that you’re talking about that? We don’t focus on who we are, we focus on what we’re doing And what we’re doing is trying to prove ourselves. That’s, that’s really powerful. What would you say to someone who’s coming to you saying, Okay, well, Kim, that’s great. But I still have a million things that are on my to do list and a crazy amount of stuff to fit into there that I need to do. What, what do I do?

Kim Romain  10:22  

So what I do with my clients is I start with this idea of self. And we go back in, and we really start to identify what does your true self want. So we have, the terminology that I use with them is the inner critic and the inner authority, and the inner critic comes up a lot in voice where we say we should, we need to I must, that’s where the striving and the proving energy comes in. Because this, this little inner critic has been working very, very hard for you your whole life, right? It just wants to keep you safe. It wants to keep you from being embarrassed, it wants to keep you in good reputation, it’s trying to do this for you, by pushing you with the shoulds in the must, right. So that

Kelley Shields  11:02  

little prompting voice we have, it’s like, oh, oh, but I should be getting a home cooked dinner on the table for my kids. And I should be showing up at work alert. And, you know, on top of everything and getting all my emails answered and bits and SMS. That’s it, I shouldn’t be doing it. That’s that kind of inner critic voice.

Kim Romain  11:20  

That’s that little inner critic voice. Yeah. And and I say little not to mean that it’s a little voice that we hear because it’s very, very loud. And is for many of us our driving factor, right? It’s, it’s all of the ways that we make decisions most of the time because we are externally focused. And that external focus is where our to do list comes from, you know, who are you? Who do you need to respond to? Who do you need to follow up with? Who are you reacting to? What are you, you know, what thoughts are you having that makes you think that you need a 47 page PowerPoint presentation that has am an animated slides, and you know, instead of just giving your three points, like somebody else who would show up to give the presentation and it’s equally as powerful. Right? So that place of self, the inner authority, that voice? So we talked about the inner critic, that inner authority voice comes from a deep understanding of self. And where I start with my clients is getting some common language around values. What is it that is actually most important to you in your life? So is it the idea of curiosity? Is it love? Is it appreciation of beauty and excellence in the world? Is it? Power, right, it can be any of these things. There’s no positive or negative connotation to what the value is. It’s just a value is just a word. So we work with that common language now. And we identify where are we leaning? Where are we? Where are the clients leaning into those values for themselves? And where are they out of alignment with it, when they’re looking at their to do list when they’re looking at creating that PowerPoint presentation, when they’re going in to ask for a raise or a new job? Right? When you’re in alignment with your values, you show up more authentically as yourself using your voice of inner authority. Great.

Kelley Shields  13:20  

That is really just dropping some amazing, deep insights for our listeners. So I hope everyone it is I hope everyone listening is able to take advantage of this. Um, Kim, did you have personal experience with this and through your own journey? And could you tell us about that?

Kim Romain  13:38  

Yeah, absolutely. I was a hot mess. Um, let’s start with that like hot mess. When it came to this whole idea of work life balance, I have spent I spent years trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. I’m trying to figure out why I kept getting back into burnout, trying to figure out why I couldn’t get ahead, the way that I thought I quote unquote, should get ahead. Um, I tried a million different things. I am a multi passionate person. And I didn’t have that language was going through this. But I am somebody who has a lot of different interests. And so I changed careers. And each time I changed a career, I felt like a failure. I went from being, you know, an executive level person in, in a in a corporation, to then practicing law to then back into a corporation to then an education and then a nonprofit. So it was like, this gamut of what is she doing? Where is she going? Why isn’t she and these were the voices in my own head. I don’t know that anybody outside of me ask these questions. But inside of my own head, I felt like there has to be something wrong with me. And when I went through this process of understanding that first the language of she has to she should that’s not right. You’re doing it wrong. You’re a failure. You’re a hot mess, all that stuff was my inner critic, it was it was just a voice trying to keep me from, quote unquote, looking bad. Right, it wanted me to thrive. And as I started to understand that a little bit about my inner critic, I was able to come to peace with it, I was able to come to an agreement with it. And when I would hear it, I would be able to say, thanks so much. Right now,

Kelley Shields  15:28  

I want to see if there’s another voice that can give me some information. And that was how I started tapping into this idea of my inner authority, I started to learn that my inner authority understood that curiosity, and wanting to learn new things are two of my top values. And so of course, I’m going to be interested in something and dive headlong into it. And then I’m gonna want to learn something about something else. And something about something else. Yeah, that is such an incredible reframe. And I know so many people, myself included, who, when thinking about a career change, felt that feeling of failure, like I should be doing something different. If there’s something wrong with me, I would have been able to make this work and showing how in your case, like, Oh, if my if I value curiosity and knowledge will person going to be continually pivoting towards something that addresses those issues, and that’s right, for me, that’s an incredibly different way of looking at it. That’s just not what it’s just not the idea that we’re presented with the growing up what we’re told, you know, the pictures they see in society of what quote unquote success looks like what having a responsible life looks like.

Kim Romain  16:48  

Yeah, very much. So. i It’s so funny, because what you’re talking about, I call patriarchal norms, right, I talk a lot about it. It’s this idea that if we live in the society, we have to behave a certain way. If we live in the society success looks one way if we live in the society, we have to x y&z and, and none of that is true. The reality is, so. So here’s where the aha moment happened for me, in my journey in my arc, I woke up one day, and I know it was years of work that led to this, but I woke up one day, and I went, Oh, my gosh, I’m an individual.

Kim Romain  17:29  

Like, of course, I’m an individual. But I realized that on a deeper level, and it was like, Wait, I don’t have to do things, the way people are saying I have to do things. Sure, if I want to have a more direct way of doing something, I could follow the norms, I can make that choice. Or if the norms aren’t working for me, I can find a different way. And that gave me such freedom to explore what was going to work for me. And that is where this whole idea of you know, work life balance is a myth. It’s a unicorn out there because I’m a unicorn. You’re a unicorn. We’re all unicorns, we’re all unique and beautiful and wonderful. And there’s no norm that can be placed on us, particularly in the workplace. That’s going to work for all of us.

Kelley Shields  18:23  

I love what you’re saying so much. One of my top Clifton Strengths strengths is individualization. So you are speaking my language, we’re speaking directly to everything that excites me. And so Oh, I think that is just, you know, that realization Wait, I’m an individual, Why would some standard set out by complete people completely nothing like me? Be what works for me? That’s just such an empowering and freeing thoughts. Yeah. So I know that a lot of people have this fear that wait a second, if I’m not, you know, having these thoughts, I’m not pushing myself to, you know, keep doing all the things I’m just not going to get anything done. And it’s going to be a disaster, my life is gonna fall apart. And I’m going to get fired. And you know, and on and on and on, where even if it doesn’t go on and on at least stay, you know, oh, I’m gonna I’m not going to be doing good enough. What would you say to somebody who hears what you’re saying I likes it, but it’s really afraid that wait a second that I’m not going to be able to cut it. If I’m, you know, not leaning into like the way I’m pushing myself to just go go go and should be doing things better and more and more and more.

Kim Romain  19:45  

So the first thing is, is a question is to say is is pushing yourself in this way working? Oh, is that getting you the result that you want? If it is keep doing it? If it’s not let’s find a different way that works for you. I don’t know the way that’s gonna work for everybody. That’s the personal exploration. I have seen individuals who have, let’s go to a business owner, for instance, I’ve worked with two recent two business owners recently, separate clients, one who wanted to me to help them build a business plan. And I said, great, fabulous. Do you have any thoughts on what you would like, you know, what you want to do with it? How you want to do it? I don’t actually want to build a business plan, because I don’t like it makes me feel too blocked in I was like, Great, then what is it you want the business plan for? I want the business plan so that I know where my business is going. So I can grow towards something I said, Okay, fabulous. So we worked out how to create a structure for that individual. That actually worked for them, it was very individualized, it involved a lot of color, because she was artistic. But it’s that right, she created her arc for her business on her own terms. I had another person who had a business plan and loves strategy and is very linear in the way that she thinks, and yet was having a lot of problems with accountability, what you were talking about, like, everything’s gonna fall apart if I don’t follow this. The problem is, is she had misaligned with her goals, her goals were not in alignment with her true values, as a person and as a business owner. So the minute we re shifted, those values are her goals so that they were in alignment with her values, all of a sudden, the accountability became easy. When accountability is challenging, when we are not being able to address the things on our to do list in a meaningful way. And I don’t mean, the 72 things that you think need to be done today, because that’s not possible. But when we’re not able to address it in a meaningful way, that we’re coming up against a place that we need to look at the resistance, why are you resisting doing it? What is it about the work that’s not working? One of the tools that I love working with particularly around to do lists is this idea of I don’t want to and I’m not gonna, and we create a whole new list. And it is those things on the list that may have been there a week, two weeks, six months, a year, right, we all have those things that have been on our two loops do this forever. So let’s put those on the I don’t want to. And now I’m not gonna, and we find a way to either put it in a parking lot. So it can rust and die, because that’s usually what happens, we put things in parking lots, or we find a way to delegate it. Oh,

Kelley Shields  22:39  

I’m in love with this idea. And I’m going to start my own, I don’t want to and I’m not gonna list because this might be my new favorite type of list. And I can just feel so much freedom, even just hearing about that. And so I’m just picturing your clients having this immense weight lifted off of their shoulders, and suddenly just having so much less stress and so much more curiosity and excitement and just presence in their lives.

Kim Romain  23:11  

Yeah, absolutely. It’s when we recognize that resistance, we can start to do something with it. When we don’t recognize the resistance, it’s going to sit there and fester. It’s just the reality. And that’s why we feel overwhelmed. Right, we forget we have choice we forget, we’re individuals, we forget that we do have values that we only see through our own eyes, right? My experience well, on paper may look like somebody else’s. It is nobody else’s, it’s mine. And so I have to be able to say, I don’t want to do this. It’s not something that brings me pleasure. It’s like, Can you can you Marie Kondo your life, essentially right and your work? Like Does it spark you joy? Does it spark joy for you? And well, we we can’t be that hardcore, because of course, there are things in our lives. And I want to be really clear, those things that we think are non negotiable are also still negotiable. You make a choice, you could choose not to show up to work because you don’t want to show up to work based on what they’re telling you the you have to be there for. You can make that choice, there are consequences to that choice, but you are 100% in choice. Right?

Kelley Shields  24:28  

I think that is such I think that is a really powerful concept. Because so many times I know in my own life, I felt it to saying things like I have to I don’t have a choice. And really, I do have a choice. I do have a choice about whether it show up to work. Like you said, I do have a choice about whether to have a job. And you know, it may not feel like it but when you dig down a little bit deeper we all do. And now like you said, it’s the consequences but realizing, oh wait, I don’t want those consequences. So I’m going to choose to go to work, it’s a much more empowering way to show up. That doesn’t mean you want to keep that job forever, for example, but it does give you it does give you your power back and move you back into the driver’s seat in your own life.

Kim Romain  25:12  

Yeah, we’ve disempowered ourselves in so many different ways. And one of the ways that that one of the fastest ways that I know of getting yourself back into self empowerment is to understand you’re always in choice. Always. Absolutely. Everything you do is in choice. Oh, here’s the thing, you don’t necessarily have choice over your circumstances. Right, your circumstances are what are happening around you. You are in choice on what you do. Regarding those circumstances, how you feel about the circumstances, how you respond to those circumstances, hundreds percent in choice about that?

Kelley Shields  25:57  

Yeah. Um, you know, one of the things that I love in this message that you have is how much it aligns with. It’s really funny, because I think so many of us have that. Push, push, shove, do mindset, because we think that’s required in order, well, again, to be quote, unquote, successful conventionally. But even if we’re talking about a very conventional definition of success, being an office job, with six plus figures, etc. Research shows that happier people are more successful, and you know, creating your life, to focus on what brings you happiness, focusing into you know, your strengths, focusing on the things you want to do and enjoy doing and are good at and grow in, and your work and your life leads to that success. And those things that you’re talking about that really, you know, sure we all have things that we have to do that we don’t, you know, we don’t want to do. But as much as you can Outsourcing Things, delegating things, finding some other way to get those things done, so that you can spend your energy and your time on the things that do increase your happiness ultimately lead to that goal. And you’re happier along the way. So like, yeah, everything you’re talking about is like the world of modern positive psychology, which I like so much. Exactly, exactly. I mean, the reality is, so

Kim Romain  27:19  

we’re human. So we’re not going to be, you know, happy all the time. Right. And this isn’t about the level of puzzles. So it’s psychology, that becomes pop psychology, where you know, when something is really, really bad, you know, if you’re facing some, some tragedy or or some true crisis in your life, it’s not meant to put glitter on it, right? What it is meant to do is to give us our power back, we have power over our minds. And yet our minds are filled with a bunch of toddlers that are like constantly melting down and having us respond on their behalf. I mean, who hasn’t had that out of body experience, where you behave some certain way, and you’re watching yourself, you’re going, that is not me? Like why am I having a temper tantrum about this? Why am I behaving this way, is because all of those thoughts, all of those behaviors are already ingrained in our brains. And yet there is an adult present, we just very often forget that there’s an adult present that has some power over that, and can help redirect the children. And that’s all it is. It’s just a redirection. It’s not it’s not punitive, it’s not, you know, banishment. It’s not, it’s none of that. It’s just a redirection.

Kelley Shields  28:47  

You know, one of the things that you’ve mentioned a few times in our conversation that I’m a little curious about is, seems to be about the power of language, and no finding, you know, choosing language. And I’m curious if you can tell me a little bit more about your experience with your clients with that. And, you know, what, even finding a common language or finding the language that works for them can do and this journey towards, you know, being more fully themselves being in being more coherent, cohesive, and just having this, you know, life that’s in choice and that they’re writing their own story.

Kim Romain  29:23  

Yeah, absolutely. So, language is powerful, right. It’s very powerful. It is the way we communicate externally with others as well as how we communicate with ourselves. And when we have a thought, that is gentle, there’s generally some word associated with our thought it may not be a complete sentence, but there’s a word. That word creates that feeling that we have, and then we take actions from that place. When we choose different words. When we intent we’re intentional about the words that we choose. We create a different environment for selves, right, we create a different outcome for ourselves.

Kelley Shields  30:04  

So just like I said,

Kim Romain  30:07  

I see the world through my eyes, and I experienced it only through mine words also have a different meaning to each of us. And we do want to get on the same page when we’re in community with others, to make sure we’re using common language, so that there is no misunderstanding on, you know, what somebody means when they say something. But as an example, for myself, when I said, when I, when I received that word of multi passionate, I lit up because I suddenly had a word that made it okay, that I like a lot of things, and that I’m interested in a lot of things. And so it can, it can really empower us in ways that using font you finding, as you said, that the individual language for ourselves, creates the outcomes and the environment that we want to be in for ourselves, and I’m using the environment in terms of our life right.

Kelley Shields  31:15  

Now. I think that this is really powerful. And, you know, it makes me think about just, you know, just bring it back to the phrase, we were starting with work life balance, I know, to me, just kind of just been a standard definition for it. And okay, so I, you know, do my job, and I do the rest of my life, and I need to fit all these things in and oh, well, you know, I need a job that gives me balance. So I can do all of these other things. And I think what you’re talking about is really, hey, yeah, if that’s what works for you, we want you to have a job where you can do all the things you want to in your life. But really, we’re saying is like, we want you to find, you know what you individually want and need to have an amazing life, and what’s important to you. So you can make choices that are in alignment with that. And that’s going to free up so much of the clutter. So much of this emotional mental weight of all the shoulds.

Kim Romain  32:11  

Yeah, absolutely. The phrase that I use is moving from chaos to clarity. Hmm, yeah. Because we feel so chaotic in our lives with all of the with, with that striving for work life balance. And absolutely, I believe it’s the umbrella of our life, and how do we see work fitting in again, using that language of what does it mean to us? Where what value do we place on work? What purpose does it serve in our lives? How does it fit in with the rest? And how does it integrate with with the rest, I like to think of it as we’re creating our symphony of our lives. And so we want it to be in harmony.

Kelley Shields  32:51  

That’s really beautiful. I think that is actually a great way for all of us to start thinking about what we want our lives to look like what we want the symphony of our lives to look like, and the harmony, we’re looking for the particular blend of chords that we’re looking for, for our individual lives. Oh, can this has been a really incredible conversation. Um, if someone’s listening to this, and just loving all of the knowledge that you have been dropping and loving your perspective and saying, oh, I need to learn more about this. You know, where can they go to find out more about you in the work that you do?

Kim Romain  33:27  

Yeah, absolutely. So they can drop over on my website, which is Kim Romaine calm is Romaine without an E at the end. We are not lettuce in this field. You can also find me on Instagram at V. Kim romaine or on LinkedIn at Kim Romaine.

Kelley Shields  33:45  

Oh, fantastic. And you know, we will drop all of your all of that information into the show notes. You know, I’m also curious about do you have anything going on in your work that you’re really excited about right now?

Kim Romain  33:56  

Absolutely. So I do a masterclass once a month. And it brings me such joy to do it each month because it’s it’s really I work through a lot of what we were talking about on this session today, we dive into this idea of moving from chaos to clarity, and it is just a beautiful opportunity for people who want to come join me for an hour of deep thinking a few AHA has a whole lot of laughs and being able to walk away with some action steps, not a to do list, but manageable action steps to start to remove some of the chaos and find more clarity in their lives.

Kelley Shields  34:36  

Oh, that sounds like a really wonderful hour for all the participants each month. I certainly all look forward to it very much. Thank you. It has been just a pleasure to have you on the show. And I think you’ve just added so many amazing things for us to think about for the kind of alignment and harmony that we all want in our own lives. said looking for this external, external structures that we’ve, you know, kind of thought, oh, that’s what I’m supposed to look for. So to thank you so much for being here and for sharing all of your incredible insights. My absolute pleasure.

Kim Romain  35:13  

Thank you so much, Kelly.

Lisa Lewis Miller  35:22  

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