119: The Great Resignation with Kate Solis Silva

Welcome back to Career Clarity Coach Kate Solis Silva! Kate and I are talking about something that is on everybody’s minds and hearts right now, which is the great resignation. As people are being asked to, or invited to or even mandated to go back into the office for their work, each of us is having a big moment of reckoning. Is this what I want? Is this what’s gonna be best for me and my family? Is this actually needed to do my best work? 

In this season, I think every single one of us is going through a period of some serious discernment. So today we’re talking about the great resignation – where it’s coming from, who’s participating in it, and helping you to walk through and think through a guide for yourself. If you are staring at a career crossroads, wondering about what’s coming next for you, given the evolving nature of what it means to return back to the office, this conversation is for you. Because we are going to be talking about things like well-being, empowerment, confidence, standing up for yourself, and identifying what your needs are, so you can make sure that they’re getting met no matter what decision you make in the future. 

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Show Notes:

• Read more about Career coach Kate Solis Silva.
• Follow Kate on Instagram at @KateSolisSilva
• Connect with Kate on LinkedIn here.
• Episode 64: Creating your Leadership Identity with Kate Solis Silva, Career Clarity certified coach
• Episode 34: 6 steps to get a job custom created for you, with Career Clarity coach Kate Solis Silva
• Episode 24: Want to change your career? Start by changing your mindset with Kate Solis Silva
• Roadmap to a Fulfilling Career eBook

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Transcript

Lisa Lewis Miller  0:04  

Welcome to the Career Clarity Show. If you want to create a career path you’ll love, you’re in the right place. I’m Lisa Lewis Miller, career change coach, published author and your host. And each week, we’ll bring you personal transformation stories, advice and insights from experts about how you can find a more fulfilling, soulful and joyful career. Welcome back to the Career Clarity Show. I’m your host, Lisa Miller, and I am delighted you are back with us today. And on today’s episode of the podcast, we are talking about something that is on everybody’s minds and hearts right now, which is the great resignation. As people are being asked to, or invited to or mandated to go back into the office for their work. Each of us I think, is having a big moment of reckoning. Is this what I want? Is this what’s gonna be best for me? Or best for me and my family? Is this actually needed to do my best work? Or is this organization leaning into the old way of doing things that you know, the pale, stale, male way of doing things, the antiquated norms of behavior of what it means to work or what it means to be a manager. And in this season, I think every single one of us is going through a period of some serious discernment. Do I want to go back? Do I have any other options? Can I make going back into the office feel good? Are the things I need to ask for to feel like I’m better in alignment in my work and in my life. So on today’s episode of the podcast, we’re talking about the great resignation, where it’s coming from who’s participating in it, and helping you to walk through and think through a guide for yourself. If you are staring at a career crossroads, wondering about what’s coming next for you, given the evolving nature of what it means to return back to the office. Now, this conversation could go in a super tactical, nerdy direction. But where we are taking it today is much more diving into your heart, your soul, your gut, and your intuition. Because we are going to be talking about things like well being, empowerment, confidence, standing up for yourself, and identifying what your needs are, so you can make sure that they’re getting met no matter what decision you make in the future. And to traverse such a conversational terrain with me today. I am delighted to welcome back be fabulous Career Clarity Show certified coach, Kate Solis Silva. And if this is the first time you’re hearing Kate’s name, check out the show notes from today’s episode. And I will link to the other episodes where Kate has been on the podcast. But I’m so excited to either introduce you or reintroduce you to Kate today. Kate, welcome back to the Career Clarity Show. 

Kate Solis Silva  3:21  

Thank you, Lisa. It is so so good to be back. 

Lisa Lewis Miller  3:24  

Well, and it feels so apropos to be having this conversation today. Because the Should I shouldn’t I that sort of waffling wondering worrying energy feels like it’s more prevalent than ever, for folks, as we all evolved with the nature of work when the pandemic started in March 2020, here in the US or when the pandemic escalated, shall we say in 2020 here in the US. And everybody pivoted and adapted and did their best to sort of hang on to their britches and go with the flow then. And now that we’re in this stage of what people are calling return to work, which is total BS, because we should be calling it return to the office because everybody who is fortunate enough to stay employed over this time, has been working their butts off, working their faces off from home. It’s a really interesting moment for each of us who’s participating in the labor market to figure out do I want to go back? Do I have to go back? Do I even have any options? So it’s a time full of questions and uncertainty. And, Kate, if there’s one thing that I know about you, it’s that you love helping people navigate through all of the wonders and the worries and the what ifs.

Kate Solis Silva  4:53  

Thank you and you just you know really nodding my head yessing to everything that you’ve done. scribed thus far, I can honestly say, there’s not someone you know, in my own personal circles and in the coaching space in connecting with clients that are aren’t identifying with exactly what you’re sharing right now let peace of reckoning discernment, having a moment to come up for air and out of survival mode, maybe just a step or two, but to really be able to start asking themselves, is this what I want to move forward with in this next chapter. So thanks so much for touching on some of those points.

Lisa Lewis Miller  5:37  

Absolutely. It feels like energetically, you know, between the beginning of the crisis around the pandemic, and now, people felt like they had to white knuckle it, you know, if I’ve got a job, I gotta keep a job, I can’t exhale, I can’t let up I gotta make sure I’m proving my worth, because I could be the next one to be laid off. And now all of a sudden, it feels like there’s this exhale that’s happening of Okay, we can take some steps back towards, quote, unquote, normalcy. But this season has changed us. And you see that in the society for human resources management, putting out an article talking about the turnover, tsunami, and the great resignation. And so the Bureau of Labor Statistics puts out a measure every month called essentially the quit rate, how many people are voluntarily leaving their jobs. And that number was pretty tight. For most of the pandemic. There are a couple seasons in the pandemic where people were leaving their jobs because, say schools had decided everybody was going to be from home. And they needed a parent at home with the kiddos. And their job was unwilling to be flexible, so they had to leave. But for the most part, people have been really hanging on. And the quit rate started to show some real interesting statistical trends starting in May 2021, of having the highest quote, rate we have seen in two decades, like 20 years is a lot of time, and that’s through at least three recessions. So I know, in our preparation to have this conversation today, you looked up some statistics, you know that CNBC is stating that 95% of people are considering leaving their job 92% of people are willing to switch industries to landed a position that’s a better fit. And the impulse towards considering leaving a job versus taking action to see what you can do to make that actually happen. Those two things exist on a spectrum. And I want to talk about this idea of empowerment, and this idea of assessing and prioritizing your well being to help you make some decisions between Are you just considering this, but actually where you are is going to work for you and you should hang on, you know, buckle the seatbelt back in again? Or are you in a position where you’re considering it because your heart and gut No, it’s time to GTFO? and focusing on strategies for change? might be your best bet.

Kate Solis Silva  8:28  

Yeah, absolutely. Let’s dig into it. Because like you said, and we were connecting with a little bit earlier. I mean, we’re talking about words like tsunami, and great resignations. So as I touched on, in my own circles, I’m going to assume that listeners out here, you know, if they’re not feeling it themselves, they sure know someone who is in this space right now. And that this is really something that the collective is experienced in ways that we never have previously. Because as you touched on, we’re finally starting to inch out of those moments of just mere survival. And being able to shift out of that and start to question, man, I really learned some stuff about myself this last year during the pandemic. And I realized that there’s some things that really matter to me that may not be be getting honored, if I return back to quote unquote, the status quo or, you know, things as usual business as usual. So really excited to dive into this a little bit more.

Lisa Lewis Miller  9:31  

I love that. And, Kate, as you’re articulating this, it’s making me almost visualize the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. If you if you aren’t familiar with this, it’s a little pyramid diagram. And it’s talking about the most important essentially priorities based on your level of survival or thriving in your life. If you are feeling like survival is in question, you’re at the very bottom of this period. You are in the in the period Amid you are in the survival needs category of let me make sure I’ve got food, I got water, I got shelter. And as you move up this pyramid, you get to more and more levels of privilege. I feel like you know more and more levels of nuance, okay, once your survival needs are met, then what are some things that can move you further and further towards thriving. And so Kate, I think what you were just articulating there is that we all were in survival mode at the very base of Maslow’s Hierarchy pyramid for months and months and months. And we’re being invited into this new era, this new season, where thriving might be available, again, in a new and different way. And so, thinking about well being, and thinking about how to move yourself up on that pyramid of needs, so that you can get up to the top and feel self actualized and fulfilled, is a really worthy conversation. And I think it’s a conversation that we can have, in today’s day and age, that wouldn’t have necessarily felt as resonant a year ago,

Kate Solis Silva  11:15  

well, and I if I can just want to go back and really just give you know, a call out to what you just shared, and and reiterate that, that there may be a way moving forward, to thrive in new in different ways. So just giving a moment for that for everyone to sit with, as we you know, as we talk about coming up for air as we start to be able to see things from a different perspective as we move forward. So thank you so much for shouting that out.

Lisa Lewis Miller  11:48  

Well, let’s talk about strategies for thriving, and finding the intersection between the what helps you optimize for well being, and what what feels empowering to do for yourself. So I know one of the places that we can start is with the basic concept of if you’re in this swirl of should I should I wandering worrying, and you’re trying to get clear, the one of the biggest things you can do for yourself, is orient your inner GPS, so that you’re moving towards something, rather than feeling like you are purely just running away from something.

Kate Solis Silva  12:35  

Yeah, really feeling like that’s kind of a mic drop statement and itself, you know, just really stepping into that mindset of moving towards on that continuum on that hierarchy, like you talked about going in the direction of thriving versus stepping away running away from coming out of fear. So really appreciate you echoing that for as our starting point of conversation here.

Lisa Lewis Miller  13:01  

And one of the things I think is really important in that is that when we’re unhappy in our careers, or our jobs, our organizations, we know that on a visceral bodily level, you your body isn’t lying, your body knows if you’re unhappy, it might be affecting your sleep, it might be affecting your health, your physical health, like your digestion, or your stress levels, it could be affecting your emotional health. You might feel it physically manifesting in tension or stress in your your muscles, it could be in your shoulders and your traps. It could be in having back pain. I’ve had clients who have had ulcers or heart problems way, way earlier in life. And that should ever be something that you have to worry about. And when your body’s giving you such incredible clarity on what you don’t want, running away, feels almost like it’s the only option like I just need to quit resign, take a sabbatical take a leave of absence, it moved to another country move to another city. And while those impulses come from a place of survival and self preservation, they aren’t necessarily moving you towards a healthier, happier state. Yes, I feel like that the nuances within that of identifying what you want to move towards not just what you want to get away from. Sounds really simple on its face, but it’s actually a really nuanced thoughtful activity.

Kate Solis Silva  14:44  

Yeah, so you know, and just for any listeners out there that are experiencing that and really having those physical sensations and really noticing that their body is in effect talking to them, you know, inviting you to tune in Listen for a moment because there’s something there. And, and to your point exactly, you know, in that space we want to do, we just want to get out of that just comfort, right? We want to fix that as soon as possible. And really inviting people in this space of looking at their well being and in a move of empowerment, can be to stop for a moment and to create some whitespace, to be able to tune in to listen to what your body may be trying to tell you what your headaches may be trying to tell you what your clenched jaw is trying to tell you, but giving yourself some white space to start in that shift of moving towards and figuring out what do I want to move forward with what matters most to me? And how do I want to start moving forward intentionally in that, but giving yourself some whitespace is a huge step in your well being hand in your empowerment, so that you can clarify and begin to prioritize what matters most. I mean, 2020 gave us a lot of time and in certain situations, to be able to think you know, what has been going on up until this point? Where do I want to set that reset button in certain areas. And now, with the invitation to come back into the office or the mandate to come into the office, when it’s not feeling like an invitation, it can be a moment to stop and tune in to know how you really want to move forward.

Lisa Lewis Miller  16:32  

Kate, I think that whitespace concept is so important and so brilliant here, because when you are getting vibes that something is a bad fit for you. We want to jump into problem solving mode and fix it mode. like where do we need to go? How do we deal with this? And often that can push us towards impulsivity. And sometimes when you create the white space to evaluate, wow, let’s feel out of sync and what might it look like to get back into alignment? What do I want to move towards? Sometimes you realize that where you are might actually work really well with a couple tweaks. And I’m sure you’ve got stories about this too. But at Career Clarity Show we work with a lot of people who are contemplating big life change, like flipping the table on life in some way or another changing you know, changing your occupation, changing your industry, changing your your career trajectory entirely moving across the country, taking a sabbatical starting your own business, like we deal with with a lot of questions of big magnitude. And one of the interesting things that happens is that when we can help you to center into what you value and what matters most and what you need, what you’re craving in your life, I have had numbers of people who were certain they needed to leave or certain they needed to go to grad school or you know, absolutely confident that they needed a big life change. Have this like paradoxical mind shift moment of realizing that they could actually create the conditions for their thriving and for their optimal functioning within the space of their existing organizations. And they actually just needed to make a little pivot, instead of a big flip the table on life kind of a change.

Kate Solis Silva  18:27  

Yeah, I mean, in just loving that you’re highlighting, you know, clarity, and transition can mean so many different things, right. But the starting point that sets us up for success is knowing ourselves, and knowing what matters most to us. And from there, being able to explore if it still feels safe and an option for you in your work. Is this something that can shift or that I would want to shift in my current position? Or is this something that I need to look elsewhere from, but I think you reiterating that point of starting with ourselves before feeling like, like you said, that moment where the table flips, maybe we just need to step away from the table for a moment and get a new perspective. Take a breath of fresh air, get that white space to be able to see. But that kind of brings us into that second point that we all love to dive into a little bit. It’s just really that space of okay. I’m clear, clear ish. Let me say listeners, you know, because clarity comes in steps. It’s not always in that big lightbulb moment. So anyone that’s feeling that pressure that I don’t have it all figured out in step one, no, this is absolutely a journey. But then another place can be really looking at Okay, you’ve got some clarity, is this a situation that I can that can be shifted? And if not, how do I want to move forward. So here Talking about, can we flow with this? Or can we force this and so I brought this up as a point, because I know we have discussed this in the Career Clarity book, right? That piece of like being able to tap into is this is this a situation that I have clarity that is flowing, that is moving us both forward, it’s a win win within the four walls. Or if I notice continued resistance, as I get more clear. And so talking about really some acceptance here, right, noticing what we can control, and then being able to let go of what we can’t. And so that can happen to your point internally, or it may be happening externally. But that way, we can break it into steps. So again, we might be at the table, we may start pushing away from the table, but doesn’t always mean that we have to flip the table as our as our transition strategy.

Lisa Lewis Miller  20:57  

I like that. And, Kate, it makes me think of the of the Serenity Prayer. So anybody who is involved in aa allanon alcohol or not Alcoholics Anonymous, like knows the Serenity Prayer concept of grant me the strength to change the things that I can, the I think it’s the grace to accept the things I can’t change and the wisdom to know the difference. And forcing something versus flowing with something, I think is such a great manifestation of that same set of principles, that there may be a lot more that’s within our control, that we have the strength to change or to ask for or to reject, than we may recognize. And if you’re finding yourself feeling like you’re smacking your head against a wall, and you’re muscling and pushing and efforting, so greatly, and you’re not seeing any traction, the acceptance to say, Okay, I have done everything that I can with this organization, or this department or this supervisor, to create a situation for me to thrive. And I just am not getting any momentum, I’m getting no traction, I’m getting no support. That acceptance can be so so powerful in enabling you to look at and appropriately evaluate other ways to serve your well being and other possibilities, that you know, with a sense of confidence and empowerment, you might be able to step into, that would allow for you to be appropriately respected, and appropriately compensated appropriately appreciated. And given the tools that you need to do your best work, but also to live a healthy, lovely life.

Kate Solis Silva  22:52  

So just a quick shout out for Serenity Prayer. It’s one of my guiding principles, it’s actually consideration of my next tattoo. So on that note, but then really just reiterating, we’re talking about a framework here, you know, so that it doesn’t feel like you’re jumping off a cliff for your own well being, but then also checking boxes. So it’s step by step process, because really, you’re talking about, you know, as we gently step into, the third piece that we’ll explore today is the reality check is that change is scary, right? Change can bring up a lot of fear. So even if you’re in that, whether it’s 95 92%, you know, someone that’s thinking about the shift, thinking and contemplating about and actually doing are totally different, right? And that fear can get really blocked us from ever taking that action, we’ll find ways to justify why it’s not so bad, I don’t need to make it I really don’t really need to have that conversation, or I can just tolerate six more months going by. But bringing in, you know, giving some conversation to the fact that the figures to be expected it’s real. And it’s, you know, normalizing that a little bit so that it doesn’t prevent us from even exploring to that next step a little bit further.

Lisa Lewis Miller  24:21  

Yeah, I think a reality check. And not in the way of like, where that phrasing has been weaponized, because I’m sure we’ve got listeners who are like, yeah, the last time somebody said I needed a reality check was when they were trying to really rain on my parade and crush my dreams. What we mean that energy of reality check in is a much more loving and compassionate space, but one that’s still grounded in looking at what’s going to create change in your life.

Kate Solis Silva  24:52  

Absolutely, I mean, that piece of as we touched touched on acceptance, accepting that fear is to be expected. in this space, and talking about reality check in the most normalizing embracive. And you are not alone tone that we can. And that’s so thank you for touching on that a little bit. But that noting that it’s there.

Lisa Lewis Miller  25:17  

Well, and I think that the reality check concept can be really helpful to articulate what the fears are that are coming up for you. If you’re thinking, listen, Lisa and Kate, I would love to make a transition. But I am critically dependent on my health care benefits, and I can’t go without them for even a day. That’s a legitimate fear. We’re not trying to tell you punch fear in the face, pretend like it doesn’t exist. We want you to be able to find a way to take action, but not one that blows off your fears, especially if they’re rooted in the things that are most important to you or your values. Right? If that’s coming up for you as a fear of Gosh, I would quit this thing tomorrow, if I just had something else lined up. That’s a great hint. From your fear that wow, I really need to make sure I’ve got something else lined up. Am I taking the actions that I need to, to get interviews and get offers? Have I touched my resume in the last year? Am I having networking conversations? You know, there can be another fear coming up in in your own reality check of like I would quit today. But I don’t have any savings. And maybe that’s a really good data point to help you take a look at like, okay, what’s been going on with me financially? How can I create a little bit more peace and ease, a little bit more exhale and wiggle room, even if it’s just creating an emergency fund of $100 $500 to start, you know, the reality check piece is not meant to be shaming or blame me. But it’s meant to be a moment of reckoning, a moment of being real. And seeing what you need to step into more satisfaction, more fulfillment, better compensation, more flexibility, better hours, to give you the things that are going to create a meaningful quality of life difference for you.

Kate Solis Silva  27:18  

Yeah, so thank you for just continuing to shine a light on what that means to us here at Career Clarity, Show around, you know, some of the realities that so many are facing right now. And that we are absolutely advocates for that piece of that started the conversation of moving towards and moving towards in whatever way feels right for you. And absolutely honoring that that tier and miles hierarchy around taking care of your basic needs first. And also noting that there may be an opportunity to tap into some of the resilience skills that you that you started to home last year, and bring that into 2021 with some of the grit and perseverance that you may have tapped into, to serve you in taking small steps in form to sit making informed decisions, starting to take calculated risks in the direction of your dreams. But again, knowing that it does not have to be all or nothing in that process. And that there are some very real considerations and values to think of and how that takes place for any one of us listening today.

Lisa Lewis Miller  28:37  

Well, Kate, let’s let’s riff on fear, but let’s take it in a different direction. So sometimes your fear is trying to give you really helpful information on how to move forward in a way that’s going to be risk managed, but still help you move forward. And sometimes, the fear is kind of like someone has pulled the fire alarm, but there’s no fire. And so often, I’ll see that show up with folks who have a fear of failure or a fear of success. Because these concepts of a fear of failure, sound really logical and understandable on their face. But when you start to dig into them, of like, what does that even mean to you? What is failure? Is there such a thing as failure is you staying in your current situation actually failure? It starts to reveal that the fear of failure can oftentimes be like a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It’s like an excuse, but that’s trying to hide in a more socially acceptable vehicle of like fear, fear of failure. And one of the biggest things that I’ve seen that comes up when it comes to a fear of failure or a fear of success, or some of these more nebulous fears is that they often stem from Place where we don’t trust ourselves. Or we don’t believe in our own capability to get another job or to even get another job offer. So can you talk about the power of self trust and belief as part of this process?

Kate Solis Silva  30:20  

Well, day long, I can Yes. You know, this topic is so near and dear to my heart, it is one that I absolutely love working with clients on. And it’s so real and common. And I really love how you made that distinction. Lisa, a lot of times, on the surface, we think it’s that fear of failure. But the reality to another piece of is that it could be underneath if we peel back the onion, could be some fear of success. And what that looks like in that trust in belief that some of these, these little hints that we’ve gotten within 2020 and want to bring forth in 2021, can actually start to come to fruition. So one of the things that you had mentioned that I love that you touched on was that we aren’t talking about punching fear in the face, right? Because what we are talking about with Career Clarity Show is bringing some self compassion into the mix here and forming a new relationship with your inner critic, but that it doesn’t necessarily have to leave. And when we take that new approach, of instead of like, fear is gonna leave, we’re obliterating fear, I frankly, don’t subscribe to that mentality. But I do believe we can form a new relationship with with fear and with our inner critic. And oftentimes, when we do, we can realize that there are some nuggets in there that they’re trying, you know that that voice is telling us, but that we can start to reframe it in a way that supports us in moving towards that success in ways that we haven’t before in bite size ways. But really wanted to just tie that piece in of like shifting like that whole, like calling that whole mindset on its head, right? Because that’s, it hasn’t been successful up until this point for me personally, right? Like that piece of like, I’m just gonna attack, right, and then it’s not here anymore. And But no, but we can form a new relationship with it. So it serves us instead of holds us back. So that’s one of the key pieces that I wanted to mention on that point of belief. And the second piece is starting, as we talked about, you’ll notice the theme of baby steps, like taking those baby steps, again, pushing one foot away from the table versus flipping it over. So because we’re building motivation, and we’re building momentum, because when we see that we can actually take that baby step, when we can take two, then maybe we can have that conversation that we’ve been putting off, then maybe we’re going to start to have an informational interview that we never thought we could before, we’re going to sign up for one class, but that we don’t have to, you know, put in our two weeks are put in our notice today and leave and then just quote unquote figure it out. So that piece of taking some baby steps gives us those small wins to keep going. And I also will mention here, like I touched on a little bit earlier that in those baby steps, we’re continuing to get that clarity, right. So that it gives us that litmus test as we go, we’re continuing to build that belief. And then also think there’s an important piece to shout out here and belief like, we actually sometimes need the reminder, we don’t have to figure this out all ourselves. So maybe there’s someone in our network that that we admire, that really inspires us that can be a mentor, a source of wisdom to us that we can actually just even have a vulnerable conversation to understand. How did they get from point A to point B, I’m exploring this journey, what pearls of wisdom might you have for me in this process? So those are some things when I you know, when I think about belief is that number one doesn’t just show up overnight, right? that we’re talking about, you know, building a new relationship for ourselves. So that to your point, that fear of success turns into continued action steps towards realizing success.

Lisa Lewis Miller  34:38  

I love that. And there’s a there’s a model that I think I had, like written a whole thing on for the book. And then I think we cut it with my editor and it’s on the four c model from Dan Sullivan. And he talks about in order to create anything in our lives that we want. We assume that we have to start with con It ends. But confidence is usually the byproduct competence is usually the end game. Yeah, what usually gets you there, you know, the two, two C’s of the four c model are conviction, and courage. And I think that the belief piece, and the courage piece tie really nicely together, that you may not know how to figure it out, and you might be scared. But you believe in yourself, maybe the belief kind of bridges conviction and courage. You believe in yourself that you’ll be able to do it and figure it out. And I think that that ties in really nicely Kate, to to another point that we wanted to bring up today, which is around being able to hang in there when the going gets tough. And having resilience. Yeah, because, you know, taking one baby step is great. Taking five baby steps is even better. But there can be a point along this journey, where you’re thinking about what you might want to go do next. And you start to get into your head of oh my gosh, I feel like I’ve been working at this forever. And I’m not making any headway. Or I’ve had 15 informational interviews and networking conversations. And it just feels like nothing’s nothing’s coming through for me, like I’m not breaking through, I’m not having the lightbulb or the lightning bolt moment happen. And the resilience has to be a necessary byproduct of belief, and endurance, coming together to move you towards something that feels like it’s more in alignment with your values and your sense of well being.

Kate Solis Silva  36:55  

Absolutely, I mean, I just feel like let’s just have like a double snaps moment for that piece of like being able to, you know, really tap into tune in to embody the resilience portion as you go on this journey. Because I think so many Career Clarity clients can attest to the fact that this is ebbs and flows, right, just like last year, and all the ebbs and flows, right. It isn’t, you know, a linear journey from A to B, there’s a lot of ups and downs. And so really being able to call on those those moments of like digging deep. And you mentioned that word courage, right? That piece of it hasn’t come to fruition yet. It hasn’t. It’s not in physical form. But I’m so clear that it’s coming. And I I you know, I have that unshakable belief that it that it’s here, it’s on its way, um, you know, what comes to mind for me is I am an insight planner user. So shout out to inside planner here. And one of the things that I really love that they highlight on the weekly is just a reminder to see it, feel it, believe it and expect it. So we touched on some of those pieces around like getting the clarity to be able to see it, knowing in your body and when you’re feeling that it’s off. Or maybe when you’re feeling like you’re on that right path. But that step of really being able to believe it, because that, in fact, supports the next step of being to advocate for it and ask for it. Well, slide right into that. Let’s talk more about it. Yeah, let’s do so and so wanted to just take a moment to highlight that piece on this journey, as you know, many may be at that point of discernment and thinking, you know, as I’m in this tsunami, you know, do I stay? Or do I go now, really, you know, you’ve spent knowing that you spent some time getting clear, you have worked through some acceptance of what you can and you can’t change. You know, you spent some time looking at what are those things that have been holding me back up until this point internally, some of the fears showing up whether it’s fear of failure, fear of success, but now, I have that belief in me moving forward. And I want to start advocating for myself, and so wanted to highlight this point, because as you’re thinking about those next steps, knowing that we’re talking about a space of, as you mentioned earlier, thriving, really going for it, you know, in that space of not settling, you’ve had moments and listeners, you know, we all have had moments to think, you know, is this what I want moving forward and if I do you have that choice, am I willing to really go for it, right? And so that piece of not settling, being able to really ask for what you want.

Lisa Lewis Miller  40:01  

I think that that’s that the definition of empowerment. It’s having that sense that I believe there’s something else out there for me. And I deserve to have it and I’m willing to ask for it. And I get when I think about this, I bring to mind the idea of like, the mediocre, privileged person, right? Like everybody has a sort of cartoon caricature of like this mediocre person who is born into wealth, who is born into, you know, the quote, unquote, right race, right gender, right, whatever, to be boring, and also be like the accepted, and how for any of us who was not born into the optimal sort of privilege profile, it can’t be tricky to feel like you believe in your ability to have or that you deserve. Good things that you deserve promotions, you deserve to be able to enjoy your work, you deserve to not have to deal with microaggressions and BS in the workplace. And so I feel like I want to really bring home what you’re talking about, by saying that the belief and the courage and the resilience can be harder to cultivate for some of us and others. It might be you might have experienced bias, or, hopefully not an ism, right? Not sexism, racism. But even if you have experienced those things, through your career, or through your life, and they have made you feel like you don’t deserve to be in a place that’s psychologically safe, or you’re not allowed to advocate for the fact that you did great work while you’re working from home, and you would like to stay that way. Know that this is available to you, too. This is not just an exclusive privilege that is reserved for, you know, one, one type of person that this is available to all of us.

Kate Solis Silva  42:17  

Yeah, and if we can, Lisa, thank you for shining a light on that. And then also bringing in to conversation, just you know, the approach of career clarity, and myself as a coach in this time talking about mindset, just really recognizing the differences in experiences in our professional worlds in our in our upbringings, and really, you know, taking a moment of pause for some of the inequalities that may exist in that and so, never doing a broad stroke around, especially when it comes to this topic of mindset, right? And as you said, you know, do I deserve this? And where is that coming from? And is there some pieces of inequity or trauma that speak to that that may not be present for, for other professionals, I just really want our listeners to know that that is absolutely part of the conversation and a piece to be explored. And a piece to potentially link arms with someone on for some support and traversing those very real topics. And also recognizing within this last year, that we’re talking about advocating for your your whole self as a professional in ways that haven’t necessarily been done before. And so advocating for your mental and emotional well being as part of your professional package and how you want to move forward in your career and how you want to be supported. So thank you for giving some dedicated time to

Lisa Lewis Miller  43:51  

that. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, I know that there’s going to be somebody listening to this podcast who’s thinking like, yeah, other people might be able to focus on wellbeing and empowerment. But what’s available to me because of whatever circumstance in my life is only survival. And if that’s you, if you’re listening to this and feeling like Well, that’s fine and great, Kate and Lisa, like good for you. I want you to know that this might be more available to you than it feels like as not your fault that it doesn’t feel like it’s available because if you have grown up historically being excluded from access to privilege or access to whatever it would make 100% sense that it would feel hard to believe that this is possible and this is available. And if you can convince yourself that you deserve to be in a place where you have flexibility with your work or your flexibility with your hours and your schedule, or that you’re in a place where you’re better appreciated, or where they help you with work life balance and they’re not demanding you to be on 80 hours a week. When you believe that’s possible, you start to be able to see it and find it, and start to be able to take those baby steps, Kate, like you were talking about the move towards it. So there’s one thing anybody takes from our episode of the podcast today, it’s that your well being is worth fighting for. And it’s worth taking some action for, even when that action feels scary, or intimidating, or hard or outside of the norm. You deserve to live that big, full life. And if the most recent era of the pandemic taught us anything, it’s that organizations have a lot more tools in their toolbox to afford us flexibility, possibility benefits, Grace, than we ever knew, or ever realized. And we’re allowed to continue to ask for those things.

Kate Solis Silva  46:02  

Absolutely. And, you know, really, again, just coming back to that space of, you know, what comes up for me organically is just saying, we see, I see you, I hear you, you know, in in recognizing the spectrum of how this shows up for, for listeners, and in that if you’re feeling to touch on what Lisa was sharing that there may not be resources available to me, that belief feels so far down the line, for very real reasons, inviting listeners to, to sign up for the Career Clarity Show newsletter, as just a step of some type of community, as you know, to happen on to LinkedIn and getting involved in some type of group or just seeing something that can help support you in finding those sources of inspiration. As you take those baby steps. 

Lisa Lewis Miller  46:56  

I love that. Well. And Kate, thank you for shouting out the newsletter. But let me bring that back to you. As we end today’s conversation. And if somebody has been listening to this and thinking, I want what she’s having on empowerment, and alignment and self advocacy and belief and well being Where are the best places for folks to connect with you.

Kate Solis Silva  47:17  

Yeah, so we’d love to connect and just talked about and then and LinkedIn, Kate Solis Silva on LinkedIn, take a peek at can we always reach out through Career Clarity can also be found on Instagram and Kate Sully Silva coaching as well.

Lisa Lewis Miller  47:33  

Okay, thank you, as always, for being a guest on the Career Clarity Show, and for helping remind everybody that there’s more available to you, and that it’s worth it to look for it. Yes. We’ll wrap up on that now. Thank you so much. This was such a pleasure. And that’s a wrap. Let us know what you thought about today’s episode. leave us a review on Apple podcasts. Because not only can your stars and words help us find great guests and topics to feature on future episodes. Your input also helps other people find the resources they need to discover the work that lights them up. And make sure to check out my book Career Clarity Show finally finds the work that fits your values and lifestyle for the link to order it go to GetCareerClarity.com/book. And don’t forget to get your other tools resources and helpful goodies at GetCareerClarity.com/podcast. Thanks again for joining us for the Career Clarity Show today. And remember, if you don’t love your work, we should talk because life is too short to be doing work that doesn’t light you up. Talk to you next time.