Episode 101: Is it me or is it the job? with Lisa Lewis Miller

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Today on the Career Clarity Show, I want you to dive into something that I think every single one of us, who considers career change ends up going through in our thought process. It’s the question of, is it me? Or is it the job?

You’re getting a solo episode with me digging into that question and some of the nuance that lies beneath it. It’s natural to start wondering what’s wrong? What happened? What went off the rails? And how do I fix this and avoid it in the future? That brings up this question almost like clockwork – Is it me? Or is it them? Is it me? Or is it the work? These are important questions to get clarity on because if you don’t know what the causes are, it’s gonna be really difficult to avoid them. 

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Lisa Lewis Miller  0:04  

Welcome to the Career Clarity Show. If you want to create a career path you’ll love you’re in the right place. I’m Lisa Lewis Miller, career change coach, published author and your host, and each week we’ll bring you personal transformation stories, advice and insights from experts about how you can find a more fulfilling, soulful and joyful career.

Lisa Lewis Miller  0:31  

Welcome back to the Career Clarity Show. It is your fearless host, Lisa Miller here and I am tickled that you are with us today. In part because we are celebrating Episode 101. It felt really important that because Melody’s book came out on the day of Episode 100. But I wanted to make sure that she was able to be on the show. So I could celebrate Episode 101 with you. And if this is your very first time listening to the show, Hello, and welcome. If you have listened to a couple episodes, welcome back. So glad to have you. And for today’s episode, I want you to dive into something that I think every single one of us, who considers career change ends up going through in our thought process. And it’s the question of, is it me? Or is it the job? Today, you’re getting a solo episode with me digging into that question and some of the nuance that lies beneath it. So when we’re feeling unhappy, unsatisfied, worried having all these questions come up about whether or not work feels the way that we want it to feel. It’s really natural to have yourself start wondering, what’s wrong? What happened? What went off the rails? And how do I fix this and avoid it in the future? And that brings up this question almost inevitably, like clockwork for folks have? Is it me? Or is it them? Is it me? Or is it the work? And it’s an important question to get clarity on because if you don’t know what the causes are, of your sense of dissatisfaction and unhappiness, it’s gonna be really difficult to avoid them. And I’ll tell you, as the perspective of somebody who has done career coaching for years, and who has coached hundreds and hundreds of people through this, sometimes when you talk to folks, or when you do a self evaluation, it’s really clear that it’s one or it’s the other. Other times it’s a really big mix, and things are integrated together. But what I’ll say is that when it is the job in particular, you see structural things around you that feel intractable, they feel impossible to change, they feel set in stone, and they feel incompatible with who you are, what matters to you. So, if you’re asking that question, is it me? Or is it the job, it’s definitely the job, if you are experiencing anything disrespectful, in your workplace on the regular. So for anybody who belongs to a marginalized identity, this is the micro aggressions. And the comments, be they micro insults, be they micro assaults, the things that make you feel like the expectations for you are low, you don’t fit the mythical norm of the one right way to work or the one right way to be. Anything that makes you feel small means that it’s probably that job. another indication that the issue is the job is when there are unrealistic expectations that are inflexible. So if you are asked to turn around a project in 24 hours, then you get the project at 11 o’clock at night. And there’s no flexibility on it, you tried to push back, you’ve tried to tell them about unreasonable, you’ve tried to tell them that getting assignments outside of work hours does not work for you. And there is no acknowledgement of that and there’s no change, then it’s probably the job. And another way to tell that it’s the job that’s out of whack is when there are structures, or work responsibilities or outputs that you create, or people that you work with, that are out of alignment with your core Northstar values. If you’re finding that your values don’t align with the work with the team with the organizational culture with the industry, then it’s probably the job right? We don’t want for you to have to sacrifice and settle on your Northstar values, the things that are core to who you are and that are the most important things you want to honor in your life. However, sometimes there’s a factor that it is a little bit you in the process, and I think it’s really important and really healthy to be self Aware and to look at these things, not to shame blame yourself in any way. But to be really realistic about how much am I accidentally becoming complicit in creating the conditions that I say that I don’t want at work? Because that’s a big an important question to wrestle with. So sometimes if you look at the structures and the systems and you think, Well, I’m not being disrespected, it feels like it’s in alignment with my values.

Lisa Lewis Miller  5:30  

Then some questions to ask yourself are, do I have leaky boundaries? Do I tell myself that I don’t want to work after six o’clock, but then I check my email at 645 after dinner? Do I say that I don’t want to work on the weekends. And then I say yes, when somebody asks me to work on the weekends, that you are violating your own boundaries and your own needs, the organization can’t be held solely responsible for that, you are going to be the person who will best be equipped to protect and honor your values and your boundaries, more than anybody else. And organizations shouldn’t necessarily be faulted for, for asking. If you’re giving them an answer, that’s not true. You’re giving them an answer that’s out of alignment with who you are. And that’s kind of related to another way that you can tell that maybe your decisions or your behaviors are a factor into things feeling like they don’t fit, which is when you don’t teach people how to treat you, because you’re not communicating what you need. So when we’re talking about factors that tell you Oh, it’s the job that’s out of whack. We talked about unrealistic expectations that are inflexible. If you’re not communicating to somebody that, hey, this isn’t working for me, Hey, I can’t meet that, hey, I don’t like being treated that way. Your silence ends up accidentally being consent. Is that Bs, it’s a bummer for sure. Is it realistic, because our managers and our team can’t be mind reader’s? Also, yes. And I completely understand that this is extra difficult for people who are vulnerable in the workplace, because you belong to a marginalized identity, and you feel like you’re already at risk, and you’re already walking on eggshells and holding your breath. But when you don’t communicate what you need, and teach people how to treat you to say, if you send me an email at seven o’clock at night, I’m not going to respond to that until 930, the next morning, when I get logged in, then we start to enable people to treat us in ways that we don’t want to be treated. And if you’re accidentally enabling that bad behavior towards you, that’s likely going to happen no matter where you go and work. And that’s a really important thing to address on the personal side. How can I feel empowered to use my voice in a way that feels risk managed and safe, maybe with the help of a mentor or a sponsor, maybe with doing some internal coalition building, so that I can teach people how to treat me in a way that is in alignment with my values. And kind of related to that the other way that you might know that it’s actually you that’s, that’s creating a situation that doesn’t feel good at work is if you have an unhealthy relationship, to your identity, at work, or to your effort at work. So if your work and your worth as a person have become really entangled and enmeshed in your brain or in your heart, it’s really easy to then not use your voice, to teach people how to treat you to have leaky boundaries, and to not stand up for what you want, because it feels like the value and the feedback that you receive at work cascades out into who you are as a person. So identifying and noticing your relationship to your job, to your title to your roles, your team, to your industry, and to how you are serving and contributing to those different pieces is a really important part of making sure that you’re setting yourself up for success no matter where you work, or what capacity you work in. Now, what I’ll say too, is that sometimes it can accidentally be you because of how we think about work.

Lisa Lewis Miller  9:44  

So many of us grew up in cultures and families in societies where we were taught some things that now are turning out to be pretty antiquated mental models for how to think about work. A lot of us were taught that the way to be successful is that you have to have a corporate job. Right? It has to be a white collar job, you got to be sitting at a desk in an office with a computer, we were taught that the definition of success is your longevity with an organization that Oh, no, you shouldn’t be leaving your job every two to three years, because you’re going to look flaky, and like a job hopper and like a blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever, that the goal somehow is to be at a company for 20 3040 years, and to get your retirement sheet cake and to have your pension at the end of those 40 years. Right. And we know that that’s not true anymore. We know that in 90% of career paths, there is no pension available there, there’s no secret pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that you’re working towards. And so if you’re approaching your work and what you’re looking for, and how to find something that fits, using these mental models of the only right way to work is in corporate, the only right way to work is to be at a place where I can be for 20 years, then it wouldn’t be surprising that you’d find yourself in situations that don’t feel like they truly fit you. And it stinks to be in work that doesn’t feel like if it’s you, that doesn’t feel like it’s aligned with who you are. It can feel really lonely, to feel different, to feel like things don’t come to you in the same natural way that they might come to other people or that the corporate culture doesn’t quite feel as warm and fuzzy and like you’re ready to drink the Kool Aid as a lot of other people. So one of the things I want to make sure to talk about today is what some more updated mental models for thinking about work can be. Because sometimes, we can get really creative with finding great fitting work, using new and different mental models to identify it. And this is especially true for people who have a lot of areas of interest and curiosity, people who are big learners, I feel like almost everybody that I get to talk with in the Career Clarity Show community is motivated by learning and growth and expansion and has a hunger to keep learning more and more, and oftentimes is prompted to leave their job when they feel like they’re stagnating or stuck and not being challenged and growing. And so if you’re the sort of person who’s really motivated by novelty and newness around learning something that you didn’t know before, you might find yourself feeling really uncertain as to where to go next in your work. Because you’re multi passionate, you like a lot of different things, you get inspired and motivated by different things. And so if you identify with feeling multi curious, multi interested or multi passionate, then I am so excited to share this brand new mental model with you. If you have all not not, if you have not already heard of this body of work by researcher Emily wapnick,

Lisa Lewis Miller  13:09  

there is a whole community of humans who identify as multi passionate and not necessarily fitting into some of the traditional structures of a 40 year corporate career called multi potential lights, having the potential to do many, many different things. And Emily wrote a great book called How to be everything, where she talks about four specific models for career pathing that are a little bit more modern and a little bit more interesting. For multi potential lights. Her book is great, totally recommend that you snag a copy of it. If you’re interested, you’re going to get a little bit of a Cliff’s notes version of the book here. And I will tell you, I have been reaching out to Emily, because I’ve admired this body of work for so long. I said Emily, please come on the podcast, I would love to share your brilliance with our audience. And Emily said, Oh my gosh, that’s such a sweet offer. Thanks so much for that. I hate going on podcast. So if you wanted to share about the book on your podcast by yourself and go for it. So I’m about to tell you about all the things Emily here with her blessing. And I think that the four types of models that she talks about in the book, are so helpful to give you different ways to think about finding work that fits and navigating your career path and decisions in your career path. So let’s talk about these four different models. And I oftentimes will call them personal business models. Right? So when you think about a business model, you think about what are the different component parts, the different revenue streams the different activities that a business is engaging in in order to be profitable, right to generate income to to be financially solvent. So I think about these as just different models to frame your own person. In all career pathing around the personal business model it is. Let me start with model number one of the four different types of multi potential models. Model number one is called the group hug approach. So this is an approach to thinking about career pathing and career fit for multi potential lights and multi passionate people that talks about integrating your interests and your curiosities into one role. One job one gig. So this one, I’ll give you some examples from folks that I’ve worked with. I’ve seen this work with one of my former clients, who I talked about in the book, who started a nonprofit, to fund restorative surgeries for shelter dogs. It was this cool combination of interest in doing something entrepreneurial, so starting her own organization, and a love, love, love for dogs. And for rescues, and for shelters, and a deep empathy and compassion for suffering and pain and wanting to make sure that a dog who comes in with a broken leg is able to have the surgery to get that fixed, get that addressed. And this person came from a background in the finance world and was able to leverage that in building out a smart business model, and doing fundraising and throwing events that would generate enough profit to be able to fund these incredible life changing life CJ saving surgeries for these pups. Another example of a group hug would be a former client of mine, who I think I also talked about in the book too. I used aliases for everybody in the book, and I don’t remember all the aliases. So forgive me for not referencing them by their alias, and by their name here. But this client had been doing digital analytics work, and was really interested in analytical work, but felt incredibly bored by the clients that she was working on. We talked about like, well, so you’re interested in the analytics? The what are the other areas of interest that you have that get you curious and excited and professionally motivated? And she said, You know, this feels kind of fanciful, and, and wild. But I love and I’m obsessed with fashion. And I said, well, let’s work with that. What are the possible intersection points of your digital analytics, background? and passion? How do we group Huggies together. And this particular person ended up finding an awesome job, working at Facebook, helping to support their fashion team with building out different ad campaigns and looking at how well they were performing. And it was this beautiful Group hug synthesis of these different things that this client had had thought of as divergent areas of interest actually braiding together beautifully into one next step.

Lisa Lewis Miller  18:03  

So if you’re feeling like your work hasn’t been fitting, think about the group hug approach, and how it might be possible, even if it’s just in a hypothetical space, to integrate together more areas of interest for you into one cohesive role. Because you actually might have a unique advantage because of your personalized individualized collection of interests that not very many other candidates would have, or would bring to the table, which might actually make you an even better fit for those types of roles, then you might think, on its face. So that’s model number one for how to be everything. The group hug approach. Model number two, for thinking about how to integrate multiple different interests and curiosities together into a career path is what’s called the slash approach. So this one, I am going to nerd out for a second. So I, when I grew up, I grew up really close to the University of Colorado, and I was a big football fan. My favorite player when I was growing up, was named kordell. Stewart and he was known as slash on the field because he could do everything. He was a quarterback. But he was also super fast and could have totally been a wide receiver on it, you know any other team but it just happened to be that he was playing at quarterback. So the slash approach in your career is wearing multiple distinct hats. So having multiple different roles and capacities that you contributed, but having them be actually separate vocations and separate pursuits. This is what I oftentimes refer to when talking to clients as the portfolio career where you don’t put the pressure on one single job to be your be all and end all. And you might have one full time job and a part time job. You might have a portfolio of several different part time gigs that feel like a good For you, this oftentimes will happen with serial entrepreneurs who are running more than one business at the same time. This can also be a really good way for people who are curious about consulting. Right in the consulting world, you end up accidentally becoming a slash, because you work on lots of different types of divergent client projects. And you have to contribute and bring your brilliance to each of them in new and different ways. Other ways that the slash kind of a career shows up, are, let’s see, I had a former client in the Pacific Northwest, who actually this one is in the Pacific Northwest is in Cali. This is a former client in California, who worked as a nonprofit fundraiser for an organization that she was incredibly passionate about and liked. But she knew that she had more to give and want to contribute than just nonprofit fundraising work. So in her spare time, she was working as a costume designer for local theaters and local dance companies. So that she was able to both have a nine to five that she enjoyed and felt connected to, but was also able to bring the full breadth of herself in her creativity to work in the work that she was doing on the side doing this costume designing stuff. Another client who has taken on the slash approach and really loved it, he’s based in the Pacific Northwest. And by day, he’s a university marketer. So helping a, an organization in the Pacific Northwest to attract more students and talk about their events and their programming, all that good stuff. But his slash is that in his spare time, he’s also working as a children’s book Illustrator. So again, he likes isn’t enough, I well enough, feels connected to it at some level. But it’s also a slash illustrator, in his spare time, to get to explore this area of creativity, creation, having this totally different identity. I’ve got another client who’s based in Florida, who is rocking the slash approach beautifully. This person’s an entrepreneur, and she runs a photography business. And again, really likes it feels engaged enjoys, it doesn’t want to leave it. But in her spare time, she’s also a songwriter, and recording artist. So finding all these different outlets for different pieces of her creativity, and creation, that feel fulfilling, right, she wouldn’t want to do just one or just the other. And that feel like they come as a package deal. That having multiple different outlets in this slash approach really enables each of these individuals to feel like they’re bringing more of themselves into their work. And they’re creating in ways that feel aligned, while also again, scratching that itch around novelty and newness, because they’re working in two really different capacities.

Lisa Lewis Miller  23:06  

So if you’re the kind of person who likes to have a lot of variety, and is cool with thinking about a path that might be a little bit less traditional, the slash approach might be an awesome one for you. Now, I’ll tell you about a different flavor here in option number three. So model number three is called the Einstein approach. And what you may not have known about Mr. Einstein, is that Albert actually worked a day job working for the government, I think he worked in the patent office or something like that. So he, he worked at a job that he was kind of just phoning in, that gave him stability that gave him benefits that paid the bills, and he was doing all the cool science work. In his spare time, great, if he was working nine to five, he was doing the cool science stuff and the five to nine. And so the Einstein approach that sometimes will get called the the good enough, like good enough job. If you’ve read my book, I quoted Joel ozbek, who introduced me to that term for the first time that a person who’s doing the Einstein actually doesn’t care all that much about what they’re doing nine to five, which, as we were talking about earlier with having your work and your worth being overly enmeshed. Actually, not caring that much about your nine to five is a totally viable option. You don’t have to be super duper passionate about what you’re doing and your nine to five. There are lots of different ways to create a fulfilling rich life. That don’t necessarily mean you have to be incredibly passionate and fulfilled by your day job. A lot of us want that right. There are lots of different models that work for different people. But if you find yourself thinking, you know, I actually don’t care that much about having a super fulfilling job if I feel like my entire life in its totality is Fulfilling, this might actually be a great approach for you do something good enough in your nine to five, so that you can spend the rest of your time working on the kinds of things that really light that fire and that interest for you. And I’ll say that the Einstein approach also really aligns with a concept I talk about in the book called a bridge job, which I borrowed from Jenny Blake, which is where you work a job, that’s kind of directionally correct for you. But that’s a stepping stone. That’s not a place that you want to be for forever. But it gives you insight, it gives you experience, it teaches you skills, to help you launch into whatever’s next. So the Einstein approach can be great, especially for people who are, let’s say, budding entrepreneurs, who want to take an intermediate step before launching out on your own, to have a job that gives you benefits, that gives you a stable paycheck. And that enables you to shut off your brain at the end of the day, because you’re not bringing work home with you, because you just don’t care all that much about the work to then have the energy and the spare time leftover at the end of the day to invest in the other things that matter to you. So in in the book, I talk about Mohammed. And this is totally the model that he and his wife went after was that he was working in it. And he didn’t feel super passionate or connected to the work in it. And we explored the idea of what if he starts his own business, where he is supporting international students in working through the process of landing jobs that are happy to sponsor the appropriate work visas in the States. When he actually tried it out, he realized, Oh, I don’t want to do this for 40 hours a week, I don’t want to do this nine to five, this doesn’t feel the way I wanted it to feel. But I still want to make an impact here in some way. And so he continued on in his work and it and added on a mentoring side hustle on top of that to feel like he was getting that fulfillment and meaning itch, scratch, while also doing work that didn’t feel soul sucking. And that felt like it had more discrete end points to it in order to better be able to have energy left for his family and for this side hustle work. So think about some of the insights from the Einstein world of does it feel good to be given permission to not feel superduper passionate,

Lisa Lewis Miller  27:26  

and in love with your job? In order to better feel more passionate and in love with your holistic life? Are there ways in which seeking out a good enough job might actually take some pressure off of you and create some freedom? Is this what you’re needing in this season of life. And I think about so many new parents where it’s like your life has been rocked, you have welcomed a child into this world. And your priorities have been shifted around in a big, big way. And it may be that work that you cared about a lot before is not what you care about at all anymore. And the Einstein can be great for you find a job where you can do the work pretty easily. You don’t feel like it is requiring too too much of you. You like the work well enough, right? It doesn’t feel draining, it doesn’t feel like it is betraying your values. But it enables you to have the energy and the time left to invest it where it matters most for you in that season of life. Because that with that mental model, it’s a little bit rebellious or, or counterculture to the way that I think a lot of people talk about work. But if it works for you, and it’s in alignment with your values, this can be a great, great fit for some people. Now, let me tell you about the last of the four personal business models to think about that might give you more spaciousness and freedom and options and opportunity in your work and your life. This model is called the Phoenix model. And I identify as a multi potential light, somebody who has a lot of interest and curiosity and loves to learn and be engaged and challenge and stretch. And the Phoenix model is 100%. me. So when I first started out in my career, I was working in all manner of digital media. I was working in marketing, digital communications, employee engagement. And as I was working through that, I just hit a point where I was like, well, I kind of feel like I’ve learned everything that I want to learn. I’m feeling a little bit bored. I don’t really want to become a subject matter expert in like social media marketing, paid advertising, optimization analytics. I want to go take on a totally new and different challenge. And if you’re familiar with what a Phoenix is, is this beautiful fiery bird of legend. That, at some point, spontaneously combusts and is born a new from the ashes. And when I look at my own career path, when I made the ARD turn from everything in the digital marketing space, to being a career coach, that was kind of my born from the ashes moment of, I know that this is an area of interest and excitement, and curiosity and calling for me. And it doesn’t really feel like there’s an easy way to navigate into that from my digital marketing background, at least not one that felt interesting or tenable at the time. So, I am totally going to incinerate right to light a fire, to be reborn in a totally different way with a different brand. Packaging up what my skills are and what my transferable experiences are in a completely new way. And setting out to chart a brand new course, as an entrepreneur, as a coach as someone who is supporting the world and making work work better for employees. So you might be a phoenix to, especially if you’re finding yourself bored, and you’ve started to look at what else might be out there. That’s closer, right? That’s a that’s an easy pivot. That’s a marginal improvement or shift in your focus. And none of those things feel interesting, you very well might be a phoenix to. You’ll see a lot of Phoenix’s as entrepreneurs are serial entrepreneurs. I, in my book, the story about Maria, who went from being a high school science teacher, to going to med school to become a doctor. That’s definitely a phoenix kind of an approach. So if you’ve been finding yourself feeling like you’ve marched up the ladder, and you’re bored, and you feel like you’re just not engaged, you’re not using your full potential. And you’re getting these ideas about making a bigger shift. You might be a phoenix too. But one of the big things I will say about Phoenix is, is that it is super important to do risk management work. Because the unhealthy manifestation of the Phoenix is where we sort of burn all the bridges behind ourselves, and make a hard right turn in our careers without having done the risk management and the vetting and the validating of the idea.

Lisa Lewis Miller  32:27  

I see this happen a lot with folks who use grad school as a way to facilitate a pivot, who may not have done enough due diligence before going to grad school. I see this so often with folks who are carrying student loan debt for a career path that now they’ve realized they actually don’t really want to be on. And it is 100% possible to make pivots and make changes even if you’re carrying student loan debt. So I don’t say that to scare you to freak you out or discourage you in any way. But if you’re sitting on the precipice of thinking, maybe I need another degree, maybe I need a new indifferent certification. It’s so important to follow a structured process to test and vet and validate that before you make that transition, to avoid feeling even more scared, or even more stuck with a burden of loan debt for a career path that may not necessarily feel like the ideal long term fit for you. Anything, that’s why the work of career coaches, you know, both the folks here at Career Clarity Show But folks at any coaching organization can be so important and so helpful, is to allow you to have a thought partner in vetting and validating what works, what feels good, and what might be right for you. What might seem shiny and fancy and sexy on paper, but doesn’t actually feel the way you want it to feel in the doing of the work when you make that transition. But if you do your due diligence, and you try things out, and you’re getting really excited by the high growth environment of starting over and learning a whole bunch of new things, you very might very much might be a phoenix in your soul. So if you’ve been feeling like your work doesn’t quite fit, and you’re not sure if it’s you you’re not sure if it’s the job. Think about the structures. Think about what you’re experiencing in the role. Think about yourself, and your mental model that you’re bringing to work and how you’re advocating for yourself. And if you are noticing, like, Oh, I feel very attacked by Lisa’s description of leaky boundaries or of not teaching people how to treat you. That stuff that coaching can help with too. So think about if it might be a really good thing for your long term happiness to get a little bit of extra support in learning and building those muscles on those capabilities. But also think about your mental model of Have you been keeping blinders on when it comes to thinking about what’s possible in your career, because of antiquated stories about what work is or what a career is that you internalize that may not necessarily actually fit who you are or the impact that you want to make. are what lights you up in your work. And think about these different models for multi potential lights and the multi passionate among us, that might give you a new breath of freedom. Either they help you brainstorm new and different things you’ve never given yourself permission to explore. Or they light up some ideas for you about different structures of how to utilize the time that you’re putting towards work to make it feel the most like you. Or maybe it just gives you a sense of validation and being seen that for some of us, it is 100% natural to outgrow what you’re doing and to be bored and to want to start over and do something totally new and different, to be challenged and stretched in different ways. All of these are fair game ways to create a career and a life on your own terms. And if you’ve listened to more than one episode of this podcast, you know, I am a big believer that life is too short to do work that doesn’t light you up and doesn’t fit you. Now, does it need to let you up to full megawatt brightness. If you’re looking at the Einstein model, maybe not so much. But there might be ways to get to way more full megawatt brightness in your work and in your life, thinking about these new and different ways to show up and to try out potential paths for you. So as we celebrate the 100 and first episode of the Career Clarity Show, I want to say another big thank you for your listening and for your support for your reviews for your comments for your feedback. The reason why we do this work, and why we have this show is to help give you the inspiration, the motivation, the hopefulness, the positivity, and the real deal stories of people who have made transitions to remind you that you can do this too. Does it take courage? Does it take support? Does it take vulnerability and putting yourself out there? check check, check. Absolutely. But is it worth it? With this one while the precious life that we have at least as far as we know? It’s probably also a yes to. So I hope that today’s episode has resonated with you. You’ve taken some great thoughts out of here. And if you haven’t already, definitely let me know what you think of this episode, you can submit a review on Apple podcasts are anywhere that you listen, or you can write me back directly and let me know.

Lisa Lewis Miller  37:29  

Thanks so much for listening and for your love and your support over the last 100 episodes. And here’s cheers to the next 100 to come.

Lisa Lewis Miller  37:44  

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